Friday Night Apologetics 10/06/06

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     Below are some notes and information from our audio bible study discussion we had in Paltalk.  Our discussion was concerning the doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved, examining if this doctrine is true or false.  We had a good turn out of people in our room with good comments and questions from both on the microphone and in the text.  If you have any comments or questions please contact us.

OSAS Doctrine

Once Saved Always Saved

The Once Saved Always Saved doctrine, also labelled OSAS has been misunderstood, wrongly explained, taught against as un-Biblical, called a false doctrine, among many things.  To put this in simple terms there are tons of websites and people (we cannot address them all) who teach against the OSAS doctrine, however they are theologically in error.  This information will be explaining in simple terms what Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) is and is not.

·        What OSAS is

1. Once Saved Always Saved is when a person genuinely becomes born again, a new creation in Christ, spiritually alive, they have eternal life and will never perish.             (John 1:12-13; John 3:14-18; John 10:28-29)

2. Once Saved Always Saved is a eternal life in Christ which teaches us to live godly lives. (Titus 2:11-15)

3. Once Saved Always Saved is having complete trust in the finished work of Christ through the cross and His resurrection, and to follow Christ. (Rm. 1:16-17; Rm. 10:9-13;         Rm. 12:1-2)

4. Once Saved Always Saved is the power of God to keep those who have come to know Him. (Eph. 1:13-14; 1 Peter 3:3-5)

·        What OSAS is not

1. Once Saved Always Saved is not a false doctrine.

2. Once Saved Always Saved is not a license to sin or cheap grace.

3. Once Saved Always Saved is not easy believism.

4. Once Saved Always Saved is not Calvinism.

Below is a few paragraphs from an article from Dan Corner.  To read the article click http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/salvationps.htm  In our audio we responded to the silly and out of proportion statements from this article.  There are comments below each paragraph from us.  Any questions from this audio or the notes please contact us.  May God bless you and you grow in the grace and truth of our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus.

Salvation Plain and Simple

Getting born again occurs at the point of a trusting-and-submitting faith in Jesus for personal salvation. All 100% of our trust must be in mankind’s only Savior, who is Jesus, to have salvation (John 14:6; Acts 4:12; etc.). Again, Jesus must be the object of our faith. (Many have, unfortunately, been deceived into lethally trusting church membership, water baptism, Mary, Saturday Sabbath keeping, Lodge membership, etc., for salvation. Some others are trusting in Jesus partly and in someone else or some other thing also for their salvation. They also have been dangerously misled.)

Our Reply:  Interesting Dan Corner says all 100% of our trust is to be only in the Savior since he teaches we must keep our salvation whereas it is not secure in Christ alone.  If one reads his numerous misinformed articles or checks audios it is very apparent he does not teach in Christ alone for salvation but in our performance after we come to Christ.  As to the list he shares here for what people believe they must do to be saved, we would agree that water baptism, church membership, keeping the Sabbath, etc are wrong things in which a person gets saved.  It is a genuine relationship with Christ Jesus, period.  He either knows you or He does not, there is nothing else.

In spite of the clarity of these facts shown throughout Scriptures, false teachers want to convince us otherwise. Of this group, the most deadly false teacher of all for those that have been born again are the eternal security teachers. Because of the popularity of this doctrine and these teachers often being exalted as spokesmen and apologists for evangelical Christianity, many Bible believers just accept their sinister teaching and security-in-sin-with-salvation theology. Such dangerously deceived people are usually very casual readers of Scripture (at best) and just implicitly trust their pastor, radio teachers, etc. for truth instead of reading the New Testament for themselves and putting into practice its life-giving message. Scripture actually says that there are people that will seek out (false) teachers to say what their sinful ears want to hear (2 Tim. 4:2-4).

Our Reply:  This paragraph is one of the most outrageous things I have ever read from those who reject OSAS views.  Firstly, Dan claims those who teach OSAS are the most deadly of all the born again-ers!  He seems to state those teachers teach a security in sin salvation theology, really?  I am not sure on who all these teachers are who teach that Christians can sin and live like hell and still go to heaven.  Who teaches this?  It is true that many people take for granted what pastors teach, radio speakers, etc, and don't examine things truly for themselves.  However, Dan goes to use 2 Tim. 4:2-4 that those people are seeking out false teachers who want their sinful ears to hear what they want.  I take that to mean OSAS teachers are telling them to sin and it is ok, where I find this outrageously taken out of context.

Two striking points about all eternal security teachers are: (1) While they believe sins will damn a person who has never been saved to hell and teach such needs to be forgiven and born again, they also believe after getting born again he can commit the same sins that were dragging him to hell before getting born again and he retains his salvation, even while unrepentant! (2) They are trying to convince us that we can not and do not need to live holy and obedient for salvation, in blatant disharmony to Scriptures (Mt. 5:8; Rev. 20:6; Heb. 12:14; etc.). In other words, these savage wolves in sheep’s clothing want us to believe that once you get born again you can turn and become wicked, vile, stray into false doctrine about the gospel, not bring forth good fruit, etc. and never imperil your eternal salvation. Such a message has obviously come from demons and the devil himself.

Our Reply:  Dan Corner's first point on eternal security teachers teaching people need to be born again and saved from their sins and then states that they can still keep on sinning and not repenting is silly.  First off, what sends us to hell is not our committing sins but the sin nature in us that needed to be atoned for through the shed blood of Christ and His resurrection.  Once a person becomes a new creation in Christ that stain of sin, notice I said stain of sin, meaning we were dead in our sins, we have now become spiritually alive and now are to live our life in Christ daily.  The Christian walk is not without sinning, we all sin and fall short.  We are to grow in our faith, to die to self, and to live for God, but none of us will be without sin until we die and go to be with the Lord.  Check out what these Scriptures teach on this subject. (Romans 6-8; Ephesians 2; Galatians 1-3; 1 Peter)  As to the message of OSAS being from demons and the devil himself, well, that is flat out ridiculous.  The truth about OSAS is that we are saved by God, sanctified by God, and kept by God, period.  The good news is that God loves us and saves us, not that God made salvation available for us to get and earn for ourselves, that is a works man-made doctrine!